Nubian Bloodlines

We have done a lot of Nubian pedigree research over the years, and would like to share some of our thoughts and ideas, on the pros and cons of some bloodlines. Please note that there are a lot of different bloodlines out there, but we’ll only use some of them as examples.

First I’ll compare the “old-timey goats,” and the “new-timey” goats.

An old-time doe, in my eyes, is fairly stocky and produces a somewhat smaller quantity of milk, yet is consistent over time, so is able to hold up to the production. In other words, she might be producing half a gallon of milk a day and be able to keep that up from March until October, and it does not set her back much at all – an all around “no trouble,” healthy doe!

Cadillac, Kismet, Hallcienda, Faith Farm, Cold Comfort, M&M Arnold Farm, Slate Woods, Bulletcreek, Amberwood, and Kastdemur are some bloodlines that contain these types of goats.

A “new-time” doe, from what I see, is a more lean, perhaps more graceful doe that might produce a very high quantity of milk. While this isn’t all bad for a goat to be producing a gallon of milk a day, it is not necessarily healthy for a doe of this type. She will most likely grow thin, as she is eating to supply milk for her baby, instead of fat for herself. I think in the show ring they basically say that a doe that is thinner in build, having a larger udder, has a good dairy type.

Some of the newer, show-type bloodlines include – Kastdemur, Hoanbu, Lakeshore, Jacob’s Pride, Goldthwaite, Price o the Field.

Please note that by calling the above bloodlines “newer,” I don’t mean that the breeders have not been raising goats for years. The older bloodlines mentioned actually consisted of some show goats, but are more like the “old-timey” goat that I mentioned. Of course it varies from goat to goat, also.

Also please note that I placed the Kastdemur bloodlines in both categories. From what I see, the Kastdemur goats have done very well in the show ring, but I’ve also seen pictures of some (one in particular) beautiful, stocky-built goats, that came from their herd. On the other hand, Foxwood is another bloodline that has the old-time genetics, yet some of their does have more of a show build. Again, it varies from goat to goat.

There are also a couple things I’d like to note – there are some bloodlines that contain something in their herd that they call G6S. While these goats might produce a large amount of milk, and do well in the show ring, I think they are undesirable because of this. While some people will just dispose of individual goats that carry it, I think we should stay away from these bloodlines altogether, as much as possible! To learn more about G6S, there are articles on the internet, such as:

Also, there are Purebred and American Nubians. An American Nubian can usually be distinguished by her large and stocky size. These are not to be confused with an old-time, purebred Nubian. American Nubians are bred to produce a large amount of milk, so probably have some other kind of goat (such as Saanen) in their genetics. While these goats might be good for the homestead (we can take a lesson from this – the American was bred for milk production, so was also bred for a stocky build :), they aren’t purebred Nubians.

So in summary – old type does are stocky in build, yet might not produce quite as much milk. Show type does are smaller in muscle build, but produce a high quantity of milk. Our thought on this is to cross the two types to produce a stocky doe that produces a very manageable amount of milk, thus holding up to it well.

You might also enjoy looking at the Amberwood website, as they have lots of information and pictures about goats. They have several pictures of the old-time buck, Hallcienda Frosty Marvin, whose name we like to see in our goats’ pedigrees!